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Site Admin Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 278

Gone. I will be leaving this for the following week, as a chunk if disapreciation has been showed towards me, I do not see any reason to continue porgramming this stupid game. I have been called a slow developer, and I was blamed for the late release. Allow me to clarify who'se fault it actually is.

You see, as the programmer - I actually need some ideas. How can people expect me to program? So, okay - I open up Dream Maker - and there it is, the code file. But what the frell should I write? I lack motivation, I have attempted to explain this too much time but nobody really listens. And guess why? The lack of the game being online. If the game is offline all the time, we will rather loose players than gain some: It is the players who motivate me. The game has been offline for months, nobody has been playing? Why would THAT inspire me to program, while nobody is enjoying nor appreciating my work?

If you knew how much I did for a stupid game, how many times did I fall asleep while I had dream maker opened, thinking of ideas, but could not think of anything when I eventually fell asleep, inthe middle of day before my computer? If you just knew how many nights I've been on, trying to get motivation... too much to list. You all act as if it is only my task to release etdbzf, but the staff should help too - they should try to get me as much motivation as possible. The only one who really contributed to the development is Virgil, as he has had many ideas which got added, and he programmed stuff.

But now, seeing that others think that I am to blame I am deeply dissapointed. I am not mad at people, but rather dissapointed. I will be leaving this stupid game for a week, probably enough for me to calm down. After that, I will make a decision whether to continue this project- as my work is hardly being appreciated and I'm being seen as a sort of machine who programs whenever OTHERS want me to. I mean, why would I see the development of some fan-game as a top-priority? It's not worth it, my social life has a higher priority than some stupid dbz-fangame.

I have put it many times into consideration to just leave this project behind, make a new BYOND key and start freshly again. But that would be giving up on too much, so that won't happen.

I will not touch etdbzf's source file for a week, and I'm requesting Virgil to do the same. But that implies that I will not be releasing V2.1.2 today, I will be gone for a week. After that, I will make the desicion about whether to waste my time on a project that is barely appreciated, nor hosted, nor played. So yes, EternalDBZFighters, V2 is on hiatus.

And just to say it again: I am not mad at anyone, but rather dissapointed.

Site Admin Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 278

Apoligies for not posting exactly a week after I announced that I'd be gone.

I have decided not to leave EternalDBZFighters, although I hate it - it has a sentimental value for me; I simply can't leave it: The project is too young to die, litterally. I made wonderfull plans with this game a year a go, when I was about to kill the project(just as now), but then I thought nthat I'd redo it, and attempt to get it to the top of BYOND. (A yearly curse or something? o.o).

So, no worries - this game will not die. But, if there will be someone who keeps complaining about the way I organise the release dates, how much I work on the project, or keeps flaming me for the speed in which I release versions, or has anything against me for not being a robot who works on the game whenever others want, or the fact that this project is rather a hobby than a huge commercial project on which should be worked everyday -- and actually expresses that hate on a flamy and insulting way, then that one should prepare to leave -- because there is no place for such people in this community.

So, let me put it simple -- as I have tried to explain it for over a year, but no-one listened-: This project is a HOBBY to me, NOT something of major importance to me. I will only program whenever I feel like it: This project is not a top-priority, infact, it is exact the opposite.

Though, I may have returned, I will still extend my break untill Thursday, Jule 13th. As I have alot of worries these days, and the stress of developing Etdbzf(yes, I HATE programming this game) will not be very good for me.

EDIT: An oh, I'd like to congratiolate myself for making the 400th post of these forums! (not my 400th post, but for making post #400 on this forum). ...>_>

Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 110

I do NOT FLAME YOU,I complained BARELY DURING THE 7 MONTH WAIT
I don't complain how you organise this.

I KNOW didn't KNOW you didn't like it you never TOLD US that before.
I'M SORRY i insulted youe social life

I NEVER MEANT IT AS AN INSULT BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU SAW IT AS ONE.
YOU NEVER RETURNED THE APOLOGY(btw check the date)
The apology was there for a week and you don;t reply i don' care if you didn' forgive me for that 1 comment a reply would be nice.

Then you incriminate me and exagerrate the facts.
You wuss I quit (scratch the in a week part) good luck finding another host for this game with a cool staff but a wussy owner.

I would like to stay but this crosses the line you went too far O-matic.

So good by virgil and darkflame and you guys=)

Site Admin Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 278

You know what? forget the apology I sent you after that incident,just forget it,OK?

I forgot that apoligie since you sent it. You have hurt my feelings, and your apoligy was not enough. Do you expect me to accept an apoligy which is carelessly set up? Do you expect me, to accept an apoligy in which proper pronuncation is rare? An apoligy which's appeareance is as if it's written very fast in less than 3 minutes. As far as I know, if someone is really sorry, then that one should take time to write up an apoligy. What's a 4-line pm? An aplogy? I don't think so.

Just wanted to clarify why I didn't reply.

I do NOT FLAME YOU,I complained BARELY DURING THE 7 MONTH WAIT
I don't complain how you organise this.

Then I wonder how well your memory is organised in your mind. You once posted a big complaint, that is THE post that made me quit. I stopped programming for 3 weeks after that. And beside that, there is hardly even one time when I talked to you online that you didn't talk about etdbzf.

I KNOW didn't KNOW you didn't like it you never TOLD US that before.
I'M SORRY i insulted youe social life

Err, do I need to tell that? If you see that it takes me that much time to do this, doesn't a bell ring in your head and say "I don't think he likes coding"? If not, then you're the only one who doesn't know.

I NEVER MEANT IT AS AN INSULT BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU SAW IT AS ONE.
YOU NEVER RETURNED THE APOLOGY(btw check the date)
The apology was there for a week and you don;t reply i don' care if you didn' forgive me for that 1 comment a reply would be nice.

I wish I still had the quote. But you called me slower than [some random animal] going uphill a mountain. Isn't that an insult on someone who is programming a game against his own will? Please...

Then you incriminate me and exagerrate the facts.
You wuss I quit (scratch the in a week part) good luck finding another host for this game with a cool staff but a wussy owner.

Apparantly you still don't realize how I feel. I never exagerrated the facts.

it's not like you had an essential value to this game anyway. When you applied for this job you said you'd be a 24/7 host. Wow, nice 24/7 host that is. You hardly contributed. Sad to see you go, on the other side it's not. Considering nothing is standing in my way to find a true 24/7 host. And on moderative area you also never were good.

I would like to stay but this crosses the line you went too far O-matic.

I crossed the line because I got mad at you, for not doing your task.

Fine. Go away, and see etdbzf grow without being part of the staff. Eventually you'll regret this step. But don't bother coming back. Ever.

Site Admin Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 76

Well it looks like I come one the forums just in time to notice a Quiting Staff member....Well Gloo im sorry to see you go...Although I havent seen you on etdbzf in a long time....

Truely in my opinion..this game is going places. O-matic as Main Coder (A Coding Genious in my oppinion(Not trying to get on his good side)) Virgil as the Sub Coder (He caught on to the game quick. It took me a little While) And Me as the...well Sub-Sub Coder....Although O-matic hasent wanted me to contribute my Code Knowledge yet.

Gloo You may have been the 24/7 Host but were you the 24/7 host? Im sorry but you were kinnda slacking on your responsibilitys. I can see how both of you may think that this game isent #1 priority. And your Right. Its just a hobby. Although when you sign up for a Position for a game. Its almost like a Job. If your 24/7 host you need to stick with that Resposibility. Or atleast inform others of your leave ahead of time.

Im sorry to see you go Gloo. You were a great persion. Maybe not the Greatest Admin or host. You just need to work at it to get better. It took me atleast a year or 2 to get good at Being an Admin. And another 2 years to even start Coding. These things take time. I've been on Byond longer then a lot of people I know.

Well fellas this may just be my longest post..Ever. But thats beside the point. The moral of the Story is "Take unto you the Resposibilitys of your Elders" Hopfully Gloo you will take this to any new games you might come across.

XDark_FlameX,
Owner of Text World, and DBZ Revenge 2

Site Admin Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 6

bye bye

Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 110

Yeah I guess so darkflame....everyone makes mistakes,gets blamed,doesn't do well at something,wants something to succeed, and that junk...

It doesn't really matter anymore i've gotten used to not hosting and i've applied for a few other un-24/7 temp hosting things but it does make me to feel a little bad to see that no one has posted anything new here for a while or a progress report about icons and such....mabye if i'd don better and had a more than one track mind i would've been a better host.I can't say I'm the complete reason for your un-motivation O-matic but i can see why you would think that.

My point,I felt like posting don't get bent outta shape and flame me.

P.S. O-matic we did post ideas and if i remember i posted alot of them.(no need to start a flame)

P.P.S.About the admin thing,Everything takes practice and i am pretty sure some of the players enjoyed me,if they hadn't we would have topics on the complaints forum

Site Admin Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 278

Ooh, don't worry about that. I recently finished the battle system, which is completely not what we all are used to see in previous versions... It just needs a bit of polishing, and the little holes should be filled, but then it should be done... I guess around end of next week.

Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 110

No problem 'bout the harshness...if you can give it you gotta take it eh?

And I find it hard to stop caring really...I know I was jerk and only talk about ETDBZF but I thought you were interested and didn't know it bugged you because I'm not good at telling that stuf(especially over the internet)And about calling you a wuss it was an over-exagerration on my behalf,considering what I did to "un-motivate you".

I WAS A SUCKY ADMIN and I know it,but when I play these games I kinda just wanna make 'em as fun as possible which,does create some problems sometimes,I know I made a mistake and I'll never be able to take it back,but I can at least apoligize well(unlike the last time) about my "You're slower than molasses(brown gooey stuff) going up hill in the winter" type attitude which was,A deterrant to the coding of this game.

And so I post an idea right here,

What is lost can be recovered

Meaning..If you got this game back up and running to full capacity,you'll get new loyal players,and if the game IS good enough,The old ones will return,If they don't it only show you what you,and your team,need to do in order to restore this game to it's glory and beyond that.That's important but the most important thing about coding a game is,

Have fun with it!

If you can't,and enjoy what you do,quit,because you won't do a good enough job to bother trying,if you don't like what you do(school is an exception of course) seriously quit,expecially if you do it during your time,and your decision is to spend time doing what you don't like,quit.

Not that I want that it's just a friendly piece of advice from and old,and sorry friend that DOES want this game to suceed whether no matter what he has said,will say,and says.

As I said at the beginning,

Sorry.

One word that eithe means alot,or dirt.

P.S. This did NOT take three minutes to write,and you know what I mean.

Sorry.

EDIT:fixed a few typo's,sorry to ruin the post with this technicality.

Site Admin Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 278

It's not that I don't enjoy programming. I can enjoy it sometimes, but it's just not having a slight clue of what to program which takes all the fun away...

Ah well, things happen to be forgotten. I think it's best if the whole incident will just be forgotten...

Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 110

I agree...I TRIED to learn programming and it was like...how-do-i-do-this-it-is-confusing-me-i-can't-remember-how-to-write-verbs-so-i'll-guess-and-get-errors-before-i-figure-out-i-was-reading-the-manual-for-DM-version-2

But forgetting is bad...learning is good...so.....whatever forget it Very Happy